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Re:Diving Courtesy - tcjtn0 - 05-27-2004
Just as a sidenote:
All of the classes that I have DM'ed for/with , we go out and put/tie/set etc the flag out on the platform *BEFORE* the students arrive. If a platform has divers on it , we select the next platform in line (1st base , 2nd base or the chain-link one). This way , we are telling divers the platform is going to be used for a dive class and at the same time , we try not to interrupt diver/divers already on an existing platform!!! I have bypassed a platform before and gone to the next one because it was being used by someone...Whether there was a flag on/tied to the platform or not!!!
Just my humble 2 cents worth!
Jean
Re:Diving Courtesy - Groovekitty - 05-27-2004
Exactly Jean - common courtesy!
Re:Diving Courtesy - Maka - 05-27-2004
It's comparative negligence.
The Instructor could have done a better job ensuring the platform was safe to decend upon.
The students are thinking about a hundred different things out there. and once they start decending they aren't thinking, "hey, those bubbles are coming from two divers that we haven't seen." they might think it is coming from another diver in thier group, or they might not even notice them at all.
As for the DIR-Divers, much like the others stated about the dive flags, and the teaching environment, I have to completely agree with them. Flags are ment to be towed around so others can know your whereabouts.
Re:Diving Courtesy - Derrick - 05-29-2004
No, it's not DIR as it creates a charlie foxtrot dealing with it during the entirety of the dive, only use the marker when ascending in boat traffic.
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When we did the DIR Fundamentals class at Square Lake 2 years ago, we used a dive flag.
Re:Diving Courtesy - LRRP02 - 05-29-2004
As read through this I see a lot of speculation I think this I think that Read the boating laws for Minnesota. Dive flag is needed when training the training area needs to be flaged off with more than one flag. As for tying a flag off and leaving it as long as you surface within 50 feet that is okay.
As for the instructor if he had 8 students and they desended before he did he did not have control of all students all of the time espicially if he didn't have any assistants. Read the general standards for your agency it will state there what is control sure they let you do 8 students at one time but if conditions aren't perfect the instructor needs to limit his students accordingly. There was something here a while back with a death at this lake because of a student getting separated from the instructor.
Remember as one dives more and more and trains more and more you do get better at it but remember when you first started
As for the platform no matter who put it there it is now public and if they didn't have the go a head to put it there it is illegal and if you all bitch enough somebody will pay the price and it will have to be removed.
Get on with it it is said and done don't dwell on it so much GO DIVING
Re:Diving Courtesy - shamre - 05-29-2004
Not sure what a pregnant dog has to do with this but i agree with what you said...... 8)
I suspect there was a typo in there somewhere. j/k
Re:Diving Courtesy - Freedive WI - 05-30-2004
He was talking about the "common name" for a pregnant dog to describe what everyone is doing on this thread.
= b!tchPeople who don't dive will just as soon cut us off from the lakes as listen to us fight amongst ourselves. We are the odd-balls out there compared to waterskiers and fisherman who have a louder politcal voice.
Jon
Re:Diving Courtesy - scubadog76 - 05-31-2004
To remove the platforms, they would have to find willing divers to help them....Know of any?
To Groovekitty - chickie - 06-01-2004
I was the dive master of record for the class you are talking about. I am not afraid to say that if we are caused you any consternation I am sorry. Now people will hear the other side of the story. Groovekitty, I saw you on shore, as I walked by. I even smiled and said hello. I could tell that it was with hesitance you would acknowledge another person talking to you. I must say, you are a good-looking person. So much so, I cannot believe the bile that comes out of your fingertips. I did a search of posts listed under your name. Man you have a caustic attitude. You may have been hit with the female-dog stick once to often. In fact by your 1st post I could tell you were not from here. I may be wrong, but your attitude towards other people and their opinions definitely sounds like a transplant from a less friendly area, to me.
If it were not for my short- coming of not being able to find the platform the 1st time we may not be having this discussion. I was on the track of it but decided my students were in the water and waiting for me. The daylight was getting short, so I went back to the class. The instructor took the float. I followed on the surface with the class. When we reached the area the instructor had secured the float and was waiting for us. I questioned him if we had company and he said âyes, we will wait for them to clear the areaâ I commented to him that I did not see a flag when we got there and he said, âwell not everybody follows the rulesâ. After a bit I noticed that the bubbles, at least one set had moved away from the platform. Oh wait, I guess that was not you and your buddy on the platform. Because, I saw two distinct sets of bubbles, they were at least 20 ft apart. I donât know much about DIR but the training agencies I work with state a GOOD buddy is within an arms reach of each other. That is why we descended when we did BOTH sets of bubbles were moving off the platform. You were obviously off the platform otherwise you would not have been able to catch the student. She was in the 1st buddy team to descend.
I have been a dive-master for 5 years. I have probably assisted with over 150 students doing their OW 2 dives. In that time I probably have seen 5 that had buoyancy down on the very 1st dive. I truly wish that I had been one the divemaster on your 1st class. I know I would have seen poetry in motion. Never once touching the bottom or having an out of control ascent or descent. I guess I missed a rare treat. Perfection from the word go.
Now I donât know your level of certification, or certifying agency. I would guess that it is probably no higher than AOW. The reason I know that is because in classesl Rescue and higher, people are taught to have patience and help the beginning diver. I certainly know that you are not at the professional level because most of your comments are anti-diver, at least if they are not DIR. I would also guess that you donât have many real dives. Because most dive trips with you would be miserable. Just because of your attitude. I will applaud you for practicing your skills. Most divers donât do it enough.
This message did not have to be this long. You started it when in your 1st post you called the instructor an âinstrokterâ I find that description a great insult to one of the most advanced, instructor/divers we have in the Midwest. He does not need anyone sticking up for him and I am curious about his silence. Maybe he just considers the source and chooses to ignore you. I have never posted to this board before. I just lurk, read and learn. You have taught me a lot. Thank You. I have learned that if DIR divers are like you with the attitude you have I donât want anything to do with it. You are not a very good ambassador for what is just another way to dive. I have well over 500 dives all over the world and have had no real problems. And guess what? Until 8 months ago I had never heard of DIR. In closing, again I will apologize if we scared you. I really thought you were leaving. If you had, had a flag, like most law-abiding citizens we would have known for sure you were leaving, or we would not have even gone to that platform. Iâm sure the members of the last Washington county deputies we trained will be glad to know that on Tuesdays there are divers that break the law. We have had that conversation with them during training. In closing,-----??!!
Re:To Groovekitty - DRE - 06-01-2004
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!