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DIR section
04-14-2004, 10:39 AM,
#21
Re:DIR section
Jon,
well said, and agreed.
Hopefully it will be as open as you describe.
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04-14-2004, 11:37 AM,
#22
Re:DIR section
Dirk,

it is not my intention at all to exclude people from participating in a DIR forum - quite the opposite. I do believe, however, that there are certain misconceptions floating around with regards to DIR, which if someone would like to get a DIR specific answer, at least in the DIR section they will get (hopefully) the correct answer according to DIR. This is not to say that there aren't multiple solutions to a certain question, and that's what for example the advanced discussions or gear discussions are there for. However, to give you an example, recently there was a discussion about solo diving. Many people have conducted solo dives without any problems, yet there is no place for solo diving within DIR. That is a personal choice you make as a DIR diver. If someone would like to know why solo diving is not considered DIR, the DIR forum would allow that person to get that answer, without enticing a pro-con back and forth about the merits of solo diving.
I have made the personal decision to adhere strictly to DIR protocol - again, that was a decision I made based upon my previous dive experiences and the information I gathered over the years. This does not mean I'm willfully trying to exclude anyone from participation in a discussion forum. FMT just asked the question what constitutes 100% DIR and I gave him a short overview of some of my answers to that question. This has nothing to do with who can or cannot participate in a discussion forum - this is a free country! The two are totally separate and maybe I should have PM'ed FMT instead of posting it on the board...
Just like the rebreather and freediving forums serve a specific function - disseminating information about rebreathers and freediving and dealing with specific topics relative to those "niche" styles of diving, I believe that a DIR section can fulfill a similar function, and that's all I implied in my initial request to the moderators of this forum.

PS: I have no intention whatsoever to wanting to become moderator of the DIR forum if Jason and Chris decide to go ahead with it, so it definitely won't be me deciding what can and cannot be allowed in the DIR section Wink

(04-14-2004, 10:09 AM)Dirk Diggler link Wrote:Questions for you DRE,

Are you saying that if the moderator creates a DIR section that those who are not 100% DIR or leaning toward that way, cannot participate in the discussion? As this may lead to sidetracking from 100% DIR mentality, discussion, or usefulness?

Perhaps it could be listed who CANNOT be 100% DIR?
-Those who smoke?
-Those who are \"overweight\"?
-Those who rely upon a dive computer for execution of their dives?
-Those who use \"Air\" for dives to 130 feet?
-Those who don't use tables/pre-approaved DIR software for planning their dives?
-Those who dive anything but the DIR approved RB80 SCR Rebreather?
-Those who don't average their depths throughout the dive in their head?
-And should everyone be tested for a PFO so as not to be considered a candidate as a buddy?
-And perhaps many, many more diving choices being made?

Obviously I'm not DIR, nor do I claim to know everything about it. It does fit a niche group of people, and there are some good ideas from out of the DIR camp that can be incorporated into useful techniques for any diver. (DIR is a culmination of many pervious designed outlooks)
But there are a lot of people who are in the categories above that are not allowed to be 100% DIR, and whom would have to conform to a strict standard set of behavior, outlook, planning, etc to be 100% DIR.

I think the great majority of this forum is made up of those people, and I don't think a category should be made so that it segregates those people from posting or participating in that discussion as it may \"sidetrack\" from what is being discussed?

This is not to make you defensive of what you obviously have a very zealous feeling about; instead my feeling is this forum was designed for the open discussion of topics, whether those \"sidetracked\" the issue or not - that's part of human nature - (just look at the answer to questions of a speech by our president.) And yes, much of what is said in forums such as these is not constructive, simply subjective and not objective, or only raised from opinionated, self-serving, pseudo intellectuals, or mouth divers looking to get a \"rise out of someone\" - which doesn't really help find better solutions or the communication of ideas. But do we want to stop those people's freedom of opinion or speech? I don't think that can be?

You've said, \"A DIR discussion section won't allow for this kinda sidetracking\"...
Why not simply create your OWN locally based DIR forum and you could moderate it so that those who you wished to be silenced, kept out of the discussion, or any disallowed sidetracking would not occur? I'm sure other people would help you, wouldn't that be easier?

Like I said, I'm not trying to attack you, just pointing out that most people want to have an opinion, whether constructive to the issue or not - should they not be allowed to do so?
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04-14-2004, 01:15 PM,
#23
Re:DIR section
Dirk,

one more thing I'd like to add: diving to me is all about having FUN, so is participating in online forums. I do this because I like this, so the last thing I want to see happen are shouting matches, ego-sizing, etc.

Best,
David
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04-14-2004, 01:26 PM,
#24
Re:DIR section
(04-14-2004, 11:37 AM)DRE link Wrote:PS: I have no intention whatsoever to wanting to become moderator of the DIR forum if Jason and Chris decide to go ahead with it.
David, off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else actively participating on mnscuba.com that would have enough total knowledge of DIR to moderate a DIR forum though with the exception of Jon (Freedive WI).
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04-14-2004, 02:42 PM,
#25
Re:DIR section
(04-14-2004, 01:26 PM)LKunze link Wrote:[quote author=DRE link=board=14;threadid=1521;start=0#msg10040 date=1081964264]

PS: I have no intention whatsoever to wanting to become moderator of the DIR forum if Jason and Chris decide to go ahead with it.
David, off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else actively participating on mnscuba.com that would have enough total knowledge of DIR to moderate a DIR forum though with the exception of Jon (Freedive WI).
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I don't think Jon would mind moderating it, plus that there's the DIRF class in June, which will be attended by quite a few active mnscuba contributors. I don't think it'll be too hard to find someone who'd be interested (I may even know someone else right now Wink)
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04-14-2004, 03:27 PM,
#26
Re:DIR section
If you put it on the Wiscuba site I would mention Gert (Deep Blue). He has done a full range of GUE courses himself and has run at least 2 DIR-F courses through his shop- and has 2 more planned for this summer. He also has the best equipped, local, DIR shop of anyone that I know of- and no, it's not just Halcyon Wink. I am not sure if he would be interested in moderating the MN forum, but he might. MAybe the Wiscuba forum would be a better place since it seems, from the posts I've read, that ther are more DIR divers in Wisconsin than in Minnesota.


Jon
"Ignorance begets confidence more often than does knowledge." -Charles Darwin
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04-14-2004, 03:33 PM,
#27
Re:DIR section
I appreciate all the feedback on this topic so far. I have read these posts and have received PM from a couple people. Obviously there is interest in this topic.

Chris and I are trying to figure out how to meet the needs of members without impacting the "tone" of the forum. Love it or hate it DIR discussions have created firestorms on other forums at times. Can we bottle up these discussions in a forum without shaking the bottle too much? Hopefully.

One idea we are considering is adding a "Midwest DIR" section to the wiscuba.com forum. Milwaukee has a couple of organizations that are focused on DIR teaching and methods. Plus, mnscuba already has the rebreather and freediving forums.

Thoughts, advice, free dive gear always appreciated.
--Jason
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04-14-2004, 03:35 PM,
#28
Re:DIR section
(04-14-2004, 03:27 PM)Freedive WI link Wrote:MAybe the Wiscuba forum would be a better place since it seems, from the posts I've read, that ther are more DIR divers in Wisconsin than in Minnesota.

Jon, you realize we were posting the same thought at almost the same time? You must be my long lost twin brother. Smile
--Jason
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04-14-2004, 03:41 PM,
#29
Re:DIR section
You must be my long lost twin brother.

Can I borrow some money? WinkYour neice wants to buy me a new speargun for my birthday and needs an advance on her allowance. ;D

Jon
"Ignorance begets confidence more often than does knowledge." -Charles Darwin
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