ICSD New Shipwreck Challenge...

[DetectorGuy]

looks to be some crap being included in the official tally,

Here are the confirmed running totals as of today:
Detectorguy (John)--------------------3 boats, 1 fish house, 1951 Oldsmobile, & 1967 Camaro
Shooter (Nate)-------------------------3 boats
lahrcm (Curtis)-------------------------1 boat and 1 dump truck
doug67 (Doug)-------------------------1 boat and 1 slightly used van (Van was removed but debris field remains)
AandA (Art)-----------------------------1 boat
Max (Nates son)------------------------1 pontoon boat
Hydro (Joe)-----------------------------1 boat
Popolarbear (Stephan)-----------------1 boat
Trinity (Terry)--------------------------1 boat

1951 Oldsmobile, & 1967 Camaro = car

ill give you credit for the fish house if you can prove that it floated.

or i can start posting locations for junk i find that isnt a boat.   :o

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For the record... the running tally you quoted is not the current running total, as I have 5 boats and not 3. The rest of the quantities shown look accurate.

The challenge did start out with the very first post to include boats only and I did originally say that 'cars don't count'. If you read a bit further into the thread, you will see that around June 27th, 2010 Doug and Curtis found a 5,400 pound utility van and a 26,000 pound dumptruck. At that time we decided to open it up a bit and include these bigger, penetratable objects as 'ones for the record'. These are obviously not floating vessels but they are more penetratable than the 'non-documented shipwrecks' we have been including in this challenge. Entering an overhead environment such as these submerged vehicles and complete fish houses seem simple but can turn to tradgedy litterally in a heartbeat. I cannot stress the fact enough not to dive outside your level of training and experience! I know from first hand experience that penetrating the confined space of a vehicle is relatively easy, but they are not so easy to back out of. As far as the fish house goes it did float at one time (if you look at the original video I posted of it 2 years ago). There is a cable and tractor innertube at the one end that the owner put on it to make it float until they could recover it. The recovery failed and they knifed the innertube to send it to Davey Jones locker.

So if anyone finds something of interest... Post it up! If the item of interest is a boat or an object that has the possibility of being a penetratable wreck such as car, truck, plane, train, fish house, or UFO... It will get added to the running tally sheet. If it is just an item of interest that other divers might enjoy seeing, post it up also as an honorable mention. If any of the items found are later salvaged (such as the utility van) I will keep it in the challenge tally sheet with a note on when it was salvaged so that other divers don't waste thier time looking for something that is not there. If it is an item of interest that is found and removed right away such as a stolen car recovered right away, by a public safety dive team, there is no value of posting it in the challenge as there is nothing for divers to see at that location.


Not quite following your line of thinking...
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As far as changing the name of the challenge, I agree that it should be changed... but for a different reason. Nate (Shooter), Art (AandA), Brian (Monterey Man), and myself (Detectorguy) are no longer the 'Isanti County Sheriffs Department Dive Team'. So as not to discourage other divers from volunteering their time and resources to any organization as a dive team member, I will not go into the details here of why we are not involved anymore. If anyone has questions about that, or wants help with a search and recovery (public or private) please contact anyone of us. We are more than willing to share any information, and lessons learned to help out anyone who asks for help. We are still gelled together as a team, and we will continue to be a non formal dive team. Being the 'ICSD New Shipwreck Challenge' was started when we were still working for the man, I will keep the name of this challenge as it is. Any future projects that I am involved with such as this challenge will not reference any government organization if I have anything to say about it.